The Podcast
I started A Therapist Can’t Say That in 2022 out of a hunger for more authenticity in this field - to break free of the image of the Good Therapist™ that lives in our heads, or in the heads of other therapists.
“Am I the only one who feels this way?”
“Is anyone else out there thinking what I’m thinking?”
“For a field that prides itself on helping people talk about things that no one else talks about, aren’t there a lot of things we aren’t talking about?”
Over three seasons, dozens of interviews, and 46 episodes, I had some of the most fascinating and generative professional conversations of my life, connected with therapists all over the world who told me that the podcast made them feel less alone in their work, and laid the groundwork for what would eventually become the learning community of The Kiln.
While I consider the project of the A Therapist Can’t Say That podcast complete and am not currently recording new episodes, all three seasons remain available here and on podcast streaming platforms as a resource for clinicians. Some of my favorite episodes are featured below.
Featured Episodes
All Podcast Episodes
MBNET: Confronting Interpersonal Trauma with Courage
Dr. Kae Hixson joins me to discuss MBNET, the blended model we developed for treating patients struggling with complex interpersonal trauma.
Season 3 Ep 12: Into the Hall of Mirrors: Deciding What (and When) to Pathologize
How do we decide what human traits, behaviors, and subjective experiences to pathologize? What makes something about a person a problem that we try to fix?
Season 3 Ep 11: Redefining Psychiatric Constructs with Dr. Miri Forbes
If so many of us can agree that our diagnostic constructs need updating or reimagining, how do we do go about that? Today I'm in conversation with Dr. Miri Forbes, an expert in psychopathology who is doing innovative research on creating more empirically-supported diagnostic constructs.
Season 3 Ep 10: What We Talk About When We Talk About Diagnosis
An exploration of what diagnosis is exactly, the many purposes it serves how to think differently about it, and how clinicians can use it better. This episode is the foundation for The Kiln’s continuing education course Getting Diagnosis Right: Going Beyond the DSM Without Throwing It Out, which we offer at regular intervals (sign up for our mailing list to be notified.)
Season 3 Ep 9: Epistemic Justice in Diagnosis: Exploring Borderline Personality Disorder with Dr. Awais Aftab
Dr. Awais Aftab and I dig into whether Borderline Personality Disorder is “real” and what that means, how it relates to the philosophical concept of epistemic injustice, how context influences the utility of a diagnosis, and more.
Season 3 Ep 8: The Medicine of Intimacy: Embracing Anger in Therapy
A guide for what to do when you encounter one of most therapists’ least favorite scenarios: getting angry with a client.
Season 3 Ep 7: Getting Into It: Overt Conflict with Your Clients with Dr. K Hixson
Be honest. When you think about overt conflict with a client, is your first thought that it’s a site of exciting progress, full of potential for movement?
Season 3 Ep 6: How to Stop Treating Your Clients Like Your Parents
Growing beyond repetition compulsion in our client relationships - for both their and our benefit.
Season 3 Ep 5: From Childhood Wounds to Therapeutic Wisdom with Dr. Karen Maroda
Our shared experiences as parentified children not only draw us to this field, but according to today’s guest, they fundamentally influence and shape how we practice once we become therapists.
Season 3 Ep 4: Therapy in the Shaky Landscape of Contemporary Neuroscience
In a relatively young field like neuroscience, paradigm shifts, misconceptions, corrections, retractions, and foundational remodels are inevitable. Which causes problems when the paradigms we’ve adopted as true turn out to be mistaken.
Season 3 Ep 3: Unraveling Popular Ideas: Challenging Neuroscientific Narratives in Therapy with Kristen Martin
Writer and cultural critic Kristen Martin joins me to unpack some of the all-too-common misrepresentations and over-interpretations of neuroscience and the implications for our field and the people we treat.
Season 3 Ep 2: Finding Our Place in the Lineage of Therapeutic Practice
Contending with therapy’s history opens a dialogue between ourselves and our forebears in ways that move the profession forward and bring us together in solidarity and kinship. And that is a project worth taking on.
Season 3 Ep 1: Between Mysticism and Modernity: Reclaiming the Jewishness of Therapy with hannah baer
If you go down a list of the founders and early theorists of therapy, you’ll find that many of them were Jews. Writer and therapist hannah baer, joins me to fig into therapy’s Jewish roots.
Introducing The Kiln: Revolutionizing The Therapy Training Landscape
Riva and Dr. K Hixson have joined up to create The Kiln, a comprehensive supervision and training program for pre-licensed therapists in Oregon.
Season 2 Ep 12: 10 Things I Have Learned in 10 Years as a Therapist – Part 2
To wrap up season two of A Therapist Can’t Say That, I’m continuing my reflections on my ten years as a therapist.
Season 2 Ep 11: 10 Things I Have Learned in 10 Years as a Therapist – Part 1
After ten years of being a therapist, when the work I do has become part of the mundane fabric of my day, I still remember so clearly the magic of being so in it with my first client. So today, I’m reflecting on ten years of being in this field.
Season 2 Ep 10: Client Relationships in the Trenches: The Role of Self-Validated Intimacy
Today, I’m digging why so many parentified children end up in this field, and how the drives of the parentified child help and hinder us in this work.
Season 2 Ep 9: Immediacy in Therapy: Breaking the Fourth Wall with Dr. K Hixson
Today, my dear friend and colleague K Hixson returns for a conversation about immediacy and why we believe that it is such a potent tool.
Season 2 Ep 8: Paradox, Love, and the Therapeutic Journey
A meditation on the many layers of the therapist-client relationship, and the connections between transference/countertransference, love, and grief. I heard from more therapists after I released this episode than any other. What if loving our clients wasn’t taboo?
Season 2 Ep 7: Let's Talk About Sex: A Humane Approach to Sexual Boundary Violations with Dr. Andrea Celenza
I felt very lucky to have this conversation with Dr. Celenza - her approach to this topic is honest, compassionate, and more thought-provoking than I ever would have imagined before I encountered her work. She should be required reading (or listening) for every therapist - even (or especially) if they think this topic could never be relevant to them.