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The Podcast

I started A Therapist Can’t Say That in 2022 out of a hunger for more authenticity in this field - to break free of the image of the Good Therapist™ that lives in our heads, or in the heads of other therapists. 

“Am I the only one who feels this way?” 

“Is anyone else out there thinking what I’m thinking?” 

“For a field that prides itself on helping people talk about things that no one else talks about, aren’t there a lot of things we aren’t talking about?” 

Over three seasons, dozens of interviews, and 46 episodes, I had some of the most fascinating and generative professional conversations of my life, connected with therapists all over the world who told me that the podcast made them feel less alone in their work, and laid the groundwork for what would eventually become the learning community of The Kiln.

While I consider the project of the A Therapist Can’t Say That podcast complete and am not currently recording new episodes, all three seasons remain available here and on podcast streaming platforms as a resource for clinicians. Some of my favorite episodes are featured below.

Featured Episodes

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Season 3 Ep 11: Redefining Psychiatric Constructs with Dr. Miri Forbes

If so many of us can agree that our diagnostic constructs need updating or reimagining, how do we do go about that? Today I'm in conversation with Dr. Miri Forbes, an expert in psychopathology who is doing innovative research on creating more empirically-supported diagnostic constructs.

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Season 3 Ep 10: What We Talk About When We Talk About Diagnosis

An exploration of what diagnosis is exactly, the many purposes it serves how to think differently about it, and how clinicians can use it better. This episode is the foundation for The Kiln’s continuing education course Getting Diagnosis Right: Going Beyond the DSM Without Throwing It Out, which we offer at regular intervals (sign up for our mailing list to be notified.)

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Season 2 Ep 8: Paradox, Love, and the Therapeutic Journey

A meditation on the many layers of the therapist-client relationship, and the connections between transference/countertransference, love, and grief. I heard from more therapists after I released this episode than any other. What if loving our clients wasn’t taboo?

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Season 2 Ep 7: Let's Talk About Sex: A Humane Approach to Sexual Boundary Violations with Dr. Andrea Celenza

I felt very lucky to have this conversation with Dr. Celenza - her approach to this topic is honest, compassionate, and more thought-provoking than I ever would have imagined before I encountered her work. She should be required reading (or listening) for every therapist - even (or especially) if they think this topic could never be relevant to them.

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